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How Do I Deal with the Multitude of Prophetic Passages?

“Andy Blowers” writes:
Hi Ed,
I recently have come across your book “Leaving The Fold” and started reading it last night. I have been a fundamentalist for almost 12 years, and after years of reading the Bible, have had to admit that clearly some things just donʼt add up. Exhausted at blaming myself for not rightly understanding the text and even more exhausted at being mad at God for leaving just enough inconsistency to give me doubts, I have finally started to entertain the idea that perhaps, some things were not Godʼs ideas after all (I still consider myself a Christian, but I am not sure what category yet).
Anyhow, my question for you is this: how did you deal with the multitude of prophetic passages in the OT about Israel, Christ, etc that seem to have had clear fulfillment?
If you have the time and donʼt mind,
Andy
How Do I Deal with the Multitude of Prophetic Passages?

Dear Andy,

Pleased to meet you. And thanks for writing. I feel what youʼre going through. Since you have my book in hand, might I suggest that you turn to the footnote in my testimony in Leaving The Fold that lists about ten books that helped put the “prophecy” question into perspective for me. I do not know if you are concerned most about alleged prophecies concerning the modern nation of Israel or prophecies concerning Jesus being the Messiah, either way, the books I list in that footnote helped me immensely.

I view the coming together of the nation of Israel to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Europe despised and hated the Jews and wanted to get rid of them, move them out. Lord Balfour suggested they go back to their “home” which he read in his Bible meant “Palestine.” Apparently Balfour was so ignorant he thought Palestine was not even occupied at the time. Anyway, Britain, and then the League of Nations passed a declaration around the 1920s that provided safe free passage to any Jews in Europe who wanted to emigrate to Palestine. After a few decades the unrest began over there and the League of Nations passed another law that forbade any more Jews from entering Palestine due to the escalating unrest. But by then it was too late. Centuries of Christian anti-Semitism in Europe, along with Lord Balfourʼs “Biblical” solution to what Europeans called their “Jewish problem,” along with the Europeanʼs reliance on the Bible, and their ignorance of the presence of the highly devout Muslims already living in Palestinian is what created modern day Israel and all of our modern day problems. Oh yes, of course the anti-Semitic actions of the Russian Czars and later of Hitler, also helped propel the birth of modern Israel. But the fact remains, European Christians were simply not comfortable around orthodox Jews, not for centuries. And the Europeans were also ignorant of the affairs of Palestine. Pushing Jews there was hardly a wise thing to do as we know now in retrospect.

For a frightening look at “end times loving Christians” and the possible self-fulfilling prophecy of destruction in the Middle East that they are actively pursuing, please read, Grace Halsellʼs books, Militant Evangelists On The Road To Nuclear War (which I think was later renamed, Prophecy and Politics), and her other book, Forcing Godʼs Hand: Why Millions Pray for a Quick Rapture … and Destruction of Planet Earth. She is a very interesting lady in her own right judging by the synopses of the other books she has written.

Modern day Israel by the way is also lacking fresh water and growing polluted and overpopulated as I was reading in Pollution in a Promised Land: An Environmental History of Israel — Alon Tal

This book provides a moderate Christian look at the history of Palestine/Israel and the Biblical interpretations being used to support modern day Israel. Whose Promised Land? /Israel or Palestine? What Are the Claims and Counter-Claims? Are the Ancient Promises of the Bible Relevant Today? Is There a way — Colin Chapman

And oddly enough modern Israel seems to be one of the few places in the Middle East with little or no oil beneath it. Though itʼs interesting how many evangelical Christians have been swindled into investing in oil drilling in Israel: The North American Securities Administration report, Preying on the Faithful: The False Prophets of the Investment World, reports about the scams and cons by “religious” entrepreneurs. One outfit cited the blessing of the tribe of Asher by Moses in Deuteronomy that “the feet of the people will be bathed in oil” as the basis for drilling for oil. More than 15,000 Americans have lost over $450 million in the last 5 years due to promotions using Old Testament prophecies.

Concerning prophecies related to Christian claims of Jesusʼ Messiahship, I suggest seeing what Jews have said about the Christian usage of Old Testament verses by New Testament authors.

Visit Jews for Judaism on the web

And see the books they offer for sale. I personally found Gerald Sigalʼs book helpful

Thomas Paineʼs Examination of the Prophecies
Paine was one of Americaʼs founding fathers, having written Commonsense, and spurred the American Revolution. His examination of the prophecies is rife with his wit and commonsense wisdom. Along with Sigalʼs book and Priceʼs I recommend it.

Lastly, hereʼs something I wrote thatʼs part of a much larger article on the web.

Judaism
McDowell cites the testimony of Manny Brotman, a Jew who “saw all the prophecies which identified…the Messiah,” and thereby became convinced that “Jesus” was that Messiah. But of all the religions on earth, members of the Jewish religion have had to live among Christians intent on converting them for two thousand years, yet only a small percentage of Jews have ever converted. Why is that? One reason is that Jewish rabbis have known for all that time that Jesus did not “fulfill all the prophecies.” The authors of the Christian Gospels misinterpreted, misapplied, misquoted and/or misunderstood the Hebrew passages they cited.

Two recent works by rabbis who point out the flawed understanding that Christian evangelists have of the Hebrew Bible, include Gerald Sigalʼs The Jew and the Christian Missionary: A Jewish Response to Missionary Christianity, and, David Berger and Michael Wyschogrodʼs, Jews & Jewish Christianity.

(Moreover, the pagan Roman scholars who composed the earliest critiques of the Christian Gospels, as well as eighteenth-century Deistic Bible critics, and, twentieth-century Bible scholars who teach at mainstream theological seminaries, all agree with generations of Jewish rabbis who dared to point out what was wrong with the New Testamentʼs use of the Old.)

And speaking of Jews who accept Jesus as their Messiah, not all of them keep their new found faith. Ellen Kamentsky, whose smiling face appeared in a “Jews for Jesus” advertisement in Newsweek magazine (Dec. 7, 1987), later wrote a book explaining why she entered and exited that “Messianic Jewish” organization: “I handed out thousands of pamphlets and gathered hundreds of phone numbers praying that God would send open victims across my path. I was a religious fanatic. I believed all people who did not accept my truth were going to Hell. Mine was no nine to five calling. I was always on call, praying, preaching, looking for converts…Members of Jews for Jesus are masters of disguise. They hide their true nature (sometimes even from themselves) and present a carefully contrived image to the world. Groups like them work by preying on our religious doubts and exploiting our insecurities. They seek simple answers to complex questions. They use dogmatism to produce certainty. Today, I revere reasoning and celebrate my Jewishness. I hope this book encourages people to find and celebrate their own truth. Know yourself, discover your own truth, so when someone approaches you hawking God, you can say, ‘Thank you very much, but Iʼm finding my own way.’

There is also a national organization, called, “Outreach Judaism,” that specializes in countering the efforts of Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion.

Outreach Judaism is led by Rabbi Tovia Singer, who has lectured on college campuses and synagogues throughout the country. “Through his stimulating and provocative appearances, Rabbi Singer has been an inspiration to thousands. He is the author of numerous articles, a frequent guest on television and radio shows, and a consultant to the Jewish Community Relations Councilʼs Task Force on Missionaries and Cults.” He has also produced a 21-part audio tape series and study guide that has been described as “a fascinating exploration of the Bible and its historic message as well as a refutation of the Christian conversionists…At first, the tapes are simply very enjoyable to listen to, but as Rabbi Singer covers the specific topics in detail, they become truly riveting. Each tape in the series whets our appetite for the next one,” according to Dr. Lawrence H. Shiffman, Professor of Hebraic & Judaic Studies at NYU. It sounds to me like Rabbi Tovia Singer is a “Jewish” Josh McDowell!

Furthermore, not only are there Jews who convert to Christianity (like Manny Brotman), and Jews who convert to Christianity then back to Judaism (like Ellen Kamentsky), but there are also former fundamentalist Christians who abandon their prior belief in Jesusʼ divinity and get hooked on Moses. Members of that last group have formed what they call the “B’nai Noah movement,” and they no longer call themselves “Christians,” but “God-fearers,” or, “Noachides.” Jesus is revered by “Noachides” as a great prophet, but not worshipped as “God.” They are convinced that the early Christian deification of Jesus was an error, due to pagan influences creeping into Judaism at that time and place in history. Instead of believing in the deity of Christ, the Trinity, and the saving power of Jesusʼ sacrifice; they believe in the “one God” of Israel, repentance for forgiveness of sins, and following the moral commands that God gave to Noah for all mankind. Members of this movement get along famously with orthodox Jewish rabbis who preach at their conferences and help them study “The Torah.” They also sell books and tapes that defend their beliefs and point out errors in orthodox Christian beliefs.

Skip Porteus, who became a Pentecostal Christian minister, then left Christianity to become an anti-Religious Right activist (and author of Jesus Doesnʼt Live Here Any More: From Fundamentalist to Freedom Writer), has recently returned to the faith of his fathers, Judaism.

Thereʼs always more to read and say as you well know. Hope some of this helps. I may be putting up articles on my website concerning some of the alleged prophecies in Isaiah, but donʼt know when Iʼll have time to do so, so I canʼt predict when they may appear there. But hereʼs the web address for my homepage www.edwardtbabinski.us

Best, Ed

On August 10, 2003 “Ken Daniels” wrote:
Subject: Your recent post to Ed Babinski
Hello Andy,
I donʼt normally write messages like this to those whom I havenʼt met, but I was struck and encouraged by the frankness and pain of your recent post to Ed Babinski. I commend your thirst for truth and trust youʼll have the courage to go wherever it leads.

From your brief message, it seems youʼre at the point I was at some three and a half years ago. I grew up the son of evangelical Christian missionaries and later became a missionary myself. It was in Africa while reading the Old Testament that I began having serious doubts about the inerrancy and inspiration of the Bible. Reading Robert Priceʼs “Beyond Born Again,” written from a liberal Christian perspective, was a heavy broadside to my tidy evangelical faith.
By way of introduction, I no longer consider myself a Christian, but my wife continues as a strongly committed believer and I regularly attend church with her and our three children. Itʼs somewhat of a challenge to walk this road, but at least I no longer have to try to force square pegs into round holes. If youʼre interested, you can read my rather lengthy testimonial.
Take care, and donʼt give up your quest!
Ken

Hell is an Evolved Concept

Hell

Above all, if there is a God behind this universe, he would be much too wise and much too kind to create anything like hell. That would be the act of a fiend, of something of low intelligence. Can you imagine Einstein saying to himself, “If my student, Mary, doesnʼt believe in special relativity Iʼll run her over in the parking lot!” Can you imagine God, supposedly so much wiser and grand, saying, “I gave Mary a brain, but if she uses it and concludes that I donʼt exist then Iʼll roast her forever and ever on my hottest fire!” It doesnʼt make any sense, does it? No being worthy of respect could possibly act in that manner.

It might interest you to know that hell is an evolved concept! The authors of the Old Testament believed that when a person died, good or bad, they went to a shadowy underworld, sheol, and lived out some kind of marginal existence. The ancient Greek epic poem, the Odyssey, also written in Old Testament times, reflects that view. Though the King James translation uses the word “hell” in both the Old and New Testaments, the biblical manuscripts use several different words. In almost all of the Old Testament the word translated as “hell” is the Hebrew “sheol.” Hell was short of fuel at that time!

There was no personal judgment in the Old Testament, save by occasional rewards and punishment for the living. Job didnʼt get his reward in Heaven! Judgment was usually reserved for nations. In the final judgment, the end-time, all of Israelʼs enemies would be crushed. A new, golden era would begin on earth with Israel the top dog.

Unfortunately, the ancient Jewish state took some very nasty knocks, especially when Nebuchadnezzar cleaned out the Temple and took the Jewish elite hostage. That captivity brought them into close association with Babylonian ideas, ideas which pop up in the Genesis creation account and in Noahʼs flood, accounts that were written up around that time. (Genesis is not the oldest part of the Bible!)

After the Persian conquest of Babylon by Cyrus, who allowed everyone to return to their homelands, many Jews remained in Babylon by choice, and they became very inundated with Persian philosophy. Persian (Iranian) philosophy dealt with the battle between the dark forces (read devil) and the forces of light, a battle in which the forces of light would eventually prevail. In the end, individuals would be judged by an ordeal of fire, and the wicked would be destroyed. (I could be wrong, but I donʼt think the Iranians believed in eternal punishment.)

With the old idea that Yahweh would bless their nation (if they did all the right things) on the rocks, with no light at the end of the tunnel, these new Iranian ideas started seeping into the Jewish consciousness. Ideas from Greece were also becoming influential after Alexanderʼs great conquest. The Jewish revolt against Antiochus IV, who attempted to totally Hellenize the Jews, temporarily restored the Jewish state for a time before the Romans took over. It was during the persecution by Antiochus IV that, in order to boost moral, the Book of Daniel was written. Its Prophecies relate to that era, not to some indefinite future! Its author made some serious mistakes describing the time of Nebuchadnezzar, supposedly the time Daniel lived. But, the closer the text gets to 164 BC the more accurate it is in its details. That was the time the book was actually written. Its author ventured several more prophecies, real prophecies this time, and they all fell flat! (Fundamentalists try to shift this last bunch of prophecies into the remote future! What else is new?)

The idea that justice would be done after all, in a time yet to come, began taking over. The Jewish idea of a messiah became popular. This messiah, descended from King David, would, with Godʼs special help, overthrow the Romans (or whatever) and institute a new, golden age for Israel. He would literally be a king and would occupy the Jewish throne. (Note that there was little or no concept of a Jewish messiah prior to the total destruction of the Jewish state by Nebuchadnezzar. Jewish kings were anointed and referred to as “sons of God,” but there was no messiah as such. Messiahs only became popular when things started going sour. The idea that Jesus is the Messiah is an idea advanced by the New Testament authors who simply ripped material out of context from the Old Testament. Suddenly, as far as Christians were concerned, every mention of “messiah” in the Old Testament was attached to Jesus!)

About this time the idea of individual judgment started taking hold, at least for some groups. Between the Old and New Testaments judgment shifts from nations to individuals. God formerly the author of good and evil becomes purely good (as in the Persian counterpart) while the devil, formerly a court functionary in Godʼs employee, becomes a superstar of evil (as in the Persian counterpart). Thus, individuals would now be judged at the end-time and go to heaven or hell. (By now, hell had warmed up considerably and was definitely a place of punishment, though not necessarily eternal punishment!)

Hell was now compared to the yuggiest place in Israel, namely the dump just outside Jerusalem where rubbish fires were constantly burning. The image of the worm (maggots) fit in nicely with a garbage dump. I suspect that even then the idea of eternal punishment was not universal, a point suggested by certain verses in the Bible. The bad guys would simply be burned up like so much trash, and that would be that. But, alas, those favoring the idea of eternal punishment won out. As a club to be held over the believerʼs head, nothing could rival roasting for ever and ever in the big oven. Maybe that had something to do with the view winning out; it was a great recruiter! Later, Dante turned the heat way up, making hell hotter than ever! Lots of red-hot iron tickled oneʼs tootsies, and the smog was just unbearable—right up there with Mexico City!

Even little kids and babies now roasted in hell! (The latter concept may well be the only original Christian contribution to the Christian religion. Christianity is built virtually entirely on pagan and Jewish rituals, ideas which have been taken over.)

Heaven for climate, hell for good company! (Besides, you can have one helluva marshmallow roast down there.)
Well thatʼs hell in a peanut shell!

Why Four Gospels?

“And why have we only four Gospels in the Bible testifying to Jesus instead of a dozen or more? Because Irenaeus, the real founder of the Canon, was explicit in the matter: there are four quarters of the earth, four universal winds, and animals have four legs. This bright boy of the Church should have added one more: a roller skate has four wheels.”
-Woolsey Teller

Why Four Gospels? Four Corners of the Earth
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Rob wrote
Subject: Four Gospels
Hi, I was wondering if you know where I can find those quotes from the early church on why there are *four* gospels. Do you know what I am speaking of? I think, for example, that one church father said four were chosen because of the “four winds”; another mentioned the “four cardinal virtures”; while yet another said something about the four rings that held the poles on the ark of the convenant! Iʼm on a debate board an I would like to bring this up.

Tuesday, April 27, 2004, Ed Babinski wrote:
Why are there only four gospels?

Dear Rob,

I think the idea of four Gospels being equivalent to “the earthʼs four corners, the four living creatures mentioned in Revelation, the four winds, and the four covenants mentioned in the Bible” was a later rationalization made by the early church father, Irenaeus.

The four Gospels we possess are probably the earliest known, Mark being the first written, with over 90% of Mark being reproduced in Matthew and Luke, and John being a later stage of Gospel development that the first three, since it represents a more highly defined theology and added resurrections miracles (raising of “Lazarus,” who appears as merely a begger in a parable in Luke), added resurrection appearances of Jesus in both Galilee (as in Mark and Matthew) and Jerusalem (as in Luke), and drops any and all the parables of Jesus in favor of having Jesus talk about himself constantly (all those “I ams”). Most scholars agree that the words of Jesus in the fourth Gospel (Gospel of John) are the least reliable and least authentic out of all of the Gospel sayings attributed to Jesus.

The Fourth Gospel ended with the verse about “many more things Jesus did, which if written down, I suppose the world could not contain all the books.” That verse reveals that MANY more stories about Jesus had arisen by the time the Fourth Gospel was being written, hence the many additional Gospels that came afterwards. But the church basically recognized the four we have in the Bible as being the earliest. Today, scholars point to the first three Gospels as being the earliest (Mark, then Matthew and Luke) and even argue about which verses inside those Gospels most likely reflect the original teachings of the historical Jesus rather than reflect teachings superimposed onto the story of Jesus by the church.

If you want to learn more about “Why there are only four Gospels” hereʼs a suggestion, go to the google search engine site at www.google.com and type into the search box:

“Why are there only four gospels?”

or try…

“Why only four gospels?”

[Make sure you added the quotations marks for an EXACT match of those words in that order.]

Here are some matches and further answers to your question:

Why are there only four gospels? In fact there were others written, such as the gospels of Thomas, Philip, Peter, Ebionites, Hebrews, Nazarenes, James etc. The fact of four gospels rather than just one gospel also allowed Christianityʼs early opponents to point out the clashes between them. Indeed one heretical rival form of Christianity led by a man called Marcion (who was extremely influential and founded over 100 churches) banned Matthew, Mark and John and only wanted part of Luke! Another great and this time orthodox Christian teacher, Tatian, produced a harmony of the four gospels to avoid these difficulties and iron out the differences between them. His ‘harmony’ was called the ‘Diatessaron’ which means ‘through the four (and into the one gospel)’. Christianityʼs critics also pointed out the inconsistencies.

In these ways the early church was forced to say why it wanted four and only four gospels. Why not more? Why not less? Irenaeus the great Christian Bishop of Lyon in 180AD answered in a way which to us is not very persuasive. He said that the earth has four corners, there are four living creatures, there are four winds and there are four covenants. So there should be four gospels to match! Not a very strong argument for us now! The interesting thing is that the early church did stick by its four portraits despite the difficulties. There were three main criteria they used to select our four gospels from possible rivals. First, each of the four gospel writers was in some sense ‘apostolic’. Secondly, they were probably the gospels of four leading churches, the church in Rome, the church in Antioch, possibly the church in Ephesus and probably the church in another of the great Greek cities. Thirdly, almost all the churches valued, liked and used these four in preference to any others. In this booklet we look mainly at just one gospelʼs portrait, Matthewʼs.


B. Why Four Gospels?

1. Three answers (see the introductory letter from the calendar for more detail on this).

a. A content-oriented answer: In light of John 21:25, a better question is why only four gospels!?
b. A geographical answer: Four corners of the earth, or four people groups of the Gospel era:

  1. For the Jews-Matthew.
  2. For the Romans-Mark.
  3. For the Greeks -Luke.
  4. While John is for the world-the universal “kosmos” or cosmos, or world of the “whosoever”.

c. A Biblical-theological answer from Ezekiel 1 and 10, and Revelation 4-The Four Cherubim:

  1. The lion-Matthew who presents Jesus as the King of Israel.
  2. The ox-Mark who presents Jesus as the busy servant of the Lord.
  3. The man-Luke who presents Jesus as the perfect man who is the measure of all things
  4. The eagle-John who presents Jesus as the One who comes from the heavens to earth.
  5. This reflects the ancient church tradition of Irenaeus, a second century church father.

Why Only Four Gospels?

Canon- “reed” or “standard”. Books that define the faith.

By AD 180, the four gospels had clearly established themselves as the key witnesses to Jesus as several ancient witnesses make clear. All these witnesses date to the late second century, early third century (125-100 years before Nicea)

  1. Irenaeus- the “Four-fold Gospel” as the Gospel
  2. Tatian- The Diatessaron
  3. Muratorian Canon- only 4 Gospels listed
  4. Origen

Peter's Denial of Jesus: How Many Times did the Cock Crow?

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 Bo Zimmerman wrote:
Subject: Crewing…
BTW, I finally got around to looking into the number of times the cock crows in the other 3 gospels. Nowhere does it state, in the other three gospels, that the cock only crowed once. Instead, in two of them, it merely states that the cock does crow, without stating whether it be twelve times or only once. So how did you derive that it was only once in the other gospels? Also, it isnʼt mentioned in John at all, which makes me wonder (yet again) where you are getting your information.
To save time, here are the relevant versus from the two non-Mark gospels where the story of Peter and the cock crowing is mentioned:
Matthew 26:34 - Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Matthew 26:74 - Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
Matthew 26:75 - And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
Luke 22:34 - And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
Luke 22:60 - And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
Luke 22:61 - And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
- Bo

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 Sharon wrote:
Subject: Re: Crewing…

BTW, I finally got around to looking into the number of times the cock crows in the other 3 gospels. Nowhere does it state, in the other three gospels, that the cock only crowed once. Instead, in two of them, it merely states that the cock does crow, without stating whether it be twelve times or only once. So how did you derive that it was only once in the other gospels? Also, it isnʼt mentioned in John at all, which makes me wonder (yet again) where you are getting your information.
To save time, here are the relevant versus from the two non-Mark gospels where the story of Peter and the cock crowing is mentioned:
Matthew 26:34 - Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
—that rooster would not crow at all, until Peter had denied him three times. No crow. It doesnʼt matter how many times it crowed after Peter denied him 3 times. Why? Because Mark contradicts, saying that Peter denied and the cock crew. Peter denied again, and the cock crew.
In Mark, Peter had not denied Jesus 3 times, but the rooster was already crowing on the second denial.
It contradicts the other 3 gospels.
“before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice”.
If that rooster crowed, even so much as one time, before Jesus was denied thrice… it was and is still, a contradiction.
Matthew 26:75 - And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
That rooster was NOT suppose to crow at all until Peter denies him THREE times.
Mark 14:68 - But he denied, saying, I know not, neither understand I what thou sayest. And he went out into the porch and the COCK CREW. (Peter had not yet denied Jesus 3 times… but only once.)
Verse 69: - a maid accuses Peter. Peter denies Jesus a second time (but the cock has already crowed.)
Verse 70: - the people nearby Peter accuse him of Jesus, and a third time he denies, and the cock crows a second time.
It is then Peter (only in the book of Mark) calls to mind, the saying “Before the cock crows twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.”
That is in complete contradiction with the other 3 Gospels.
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 Bo Zimmerman wrote:
Subject: RE: Crewing…
Hmm… Well, I guess we have to disagree on this one.
In Mark, each crowing is delineated, so that we see that the crow had only done so once after the first denial, but as Jesus predicted, did not do so twice until after the third denial.
In the other ****TWO**** gospels (not 3— no mention in John, despite the fact that you keep repeating “other 3”), each crowing (first or the second, itʼs not clear) is not delineated, but that doesnʼt mean it didnʼt happen.
- Bo
On June 18, 2003 Sharon wrote:
Subject: Fw: Crewing…
Iʼm sure you already know this, I noticed it in the NIV last night, but said nothing, until Iʼm clear myself as to what the meaning of this information implies…
The NIV, book of Mark states c30 “Some early manuscripts do not have twice”
c68 “Some early manuscripts entryway and the rooster crowed”
72 “Some early manuscripts do not have the second time”
d72 “Some early manuscripts do not have twice”

What is the meaning of this?
On Thursday, June 19, 2003 “Edward Babinski” wrote:
Subject: Re: Fw: Crewing…
Textual variants in different New Testament manuscripts.
On June 19, 2003 Sharon wrote:
Subject: Re: Fw: Crewing…
In my understanding the older the manuscript is… the more accurate it is. And if the scriptures were not originally there, to imply two crows—then, my question is, did the original manuscripts for Mark tend to lean toward the accounts found in the other 3 Gospels, with only one crow. In my reasoning, it could create a problem, as for a legitimate contradiction. Maybe I can look that up sometime in that book Iʼve got “The Earliest New Testament Greek Manuscripts”… can you read Greek?
Peter's Denial of Jesus and the Cock Crow Thrice

On Wednesday, June 18, 2003 “Edward Babinski” wrote:
Subject: How many times, and when and to whom did Peter deny Christ?

Speaking of cocks crowing, Dave Matson once did a booklet on the question of how many times, when, and to whom Peter denied Christ, i.e., according to all four Gospels. Good booklet. Ask him to email the article to you if he can. Lotʼs of problems for Bible believers there!

Also, Lindell, who wrote Battle For The Bible, once agreed that there were problems with trying to reconcile all four Gospel descriptions of when, and where, and to whom Peter denied Christ. Lindell suggested that if worse came to worse, a Bible believer could always resort to suggesting that Peter denied Christ 12 times! That means that each Gospel described completely separate instances of Peterʼs denials, each Gospel author only writing about there of the different times Peter denied Christ, which would add up to 12 completely different times! Of course thatʼs absurd, but thatʼs how the Bible believerʼs mind will work, any explanation to overcome difficulties.

Of course Lindellʼs explanation doesnʼt hold water for the simple fact that there each Gospel also says that Peter only denied Jesus three times, not “12!”

Bible not intending to Deceive?

“If the Bible was intended to deceive why is there all the good verses to not be deceitful, being good and honest to all, fruits of the Spirit, etc.”
Bible not intending to Deceive?

Many an evangelical Christian Iʼm sure has studied the non-Christian religions (like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism), and also studied groups that evangelicals label as “cults?” like JWs, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Scientologists, etc.? They all have sacred writings that talk about not being deceitful, being good and honest to all, and things similar to “fruits” of the Spirit, etc.

But as an evangelical Christian they were warned that “even the tiniest drop of poison” in religious teachings could ruin a whole lot of good teachings found in a particular religion or cult. So they were taught to ignore all the good stuff other religions and cults held in common, and concentrate on keeping away from that “drop of poison,” which mostly consisted of beliefs that nobody could prove to nonbelievers, nor disprove to believers, stuff which was highly debatable.

Hence, your question should be, why do so many good teachings appear in so many places, yet they disagree on metaphysical beliefs? Why indeed. Iʼd say it's time for you to learn to concentrate on the large vast area of shared goodness and good teachings and thank God for that, in whatever book or person they may be found. Neither does the presence of such teachings in so many “holy” books mean the books contain “correct” metaphysical beliefs.

Sheol and the Afterlife - Several Views on Afterlife in the Bible

Death and the Afterlife
  1. Early Old Testament view: Everyone returns to dust and goes down to Sheol together.

  2. Later Old Testament view: Book of the Daniel contains the first unequivocal mention of resurrection, and life after death. (Before such ideas appeared in the very late Hebrew book of Daniel, those same ideas had already appeared in the holy books of Zoroastrianism, the religion of the Persians who allowed the Hebrews to return to their homeland after having been held captive by the Babylonians.)

  3. Evangelical scholars disagree on what the New Testament teaches concerning the afterlife. In fact, Zondervan published a debate between three such scholars, titled, Three Views On The Afterlife. Some evangelicals hold to eternal heaven and hell, others hold to a temporary hell which burns souls to death so they suffer only finite punishment, and the third view is based on hints of universalism in the N.T.

Below are some web sites that can help inform you of the options, though I myself passed from the hellfire view to the universalistic view, and loved a little paperback book titled, Salvation And Damnation by Dalton, from the Clergy Book Service (which sells it online). The book examined lots of verses and ideas and made a case for universalism.

  • The Evangelical Universalist - www.athens.net/~wells/indexeu.htm
    Defines universalism, discusses its history, and provides links to universalist churches and fellowships, and lists various universalist resources on the web.

  • The Hell Page - Declares that the teaching of eternal punishment in a place called Hell has caused the world more misery than almost anything else. The site traces the teaching of Hell to ancient mythology and provides evidence that the teaching of Hell is not in the original languages of the Jewish or Christian Bibles.

  • Catholic Encyclopedia: Apocatastasis - Discusses the universalist theology of Origen and Gregory of Nyssa.

  • The Open Christian Fellowship - An online community organized for the discussion of the universal Fatherhood of God and His open-ended love for all humanity.

  • Can This Be True? - www.theshop.net/gjess/
    Discusses Godʼs plan for mankind from a universalist perspective. Contains extensive links to universalist web sites.

  • Concordant Expositions - A universalist exposition of Scripture by the Concordant Publishing Concern.

  • The All in All Internet BBS - Presents a wide array of editorials and informative articles in support of the universal love of God for all mankind.

  • Jesus, The Redeemer: Problems With The Doctrine of Redemption - A retired Episcopalian priest addresses the logical and scientific problems with the doctrine of original sin. In particular, he states that we must recognize the full impact of the immense love of God for all His creatures.

  • Christian Universalism Articles - Essays by various writers on the doctrine of universalism.

  • Christianworld Church - A non-denominational ministry teaching Universal Salvation. The site presents a series of related articles.

  • Sovereignty Series - www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/1170/indexsov.html
    Explores the hidden sovereign work of the Creator throughout His plan of |the ages. Takes the position that Almighty God is working, unhindered by men or angels “according to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

  • Hans Küng on Eternal Punishment, Hell, and Reconciliation - A selection from the writings of Swiss theologian Hans Küng.

  • The Inescapable Love of God - Thomas Talbott, Professor of Philosophy at Willamette University in Salem, Oregon, provides selections from his book, The Inescapable Love of God. He takes the position that the God of the New Testament, the One Whose essence is perfect love, is as far removed from the vengeful monarch |that so many Christians have learned to fear, as heaven is from hell itself.

  • Savior of All Fellowship - Presents essays and commentaries arguing that it is Godʼs purpose to save all mankind through the death and resurrection of Christ.

  • Scripture Alone Bible Page - ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/romans11/
    Criticizes both the Calvinists and Arminians, and argues that God in His sovereignty, has chosen the salvation of all people.

  • Savior of the World - pages.prodigy.net/brad1tim24/
    Advocates the position that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all people.

  • Universalism and the Bible - Keith DeRose, Yale University Associate Prof. of Philosophy, provides Biblically based arguments for the doctrine of universalism.

  • Hesed Unlimited - Presents the “Great Circle of Creation” in which those who fall away from God return to God.

  • Tentmaker Ministries Online - Presents Biblically-based essays advocating the position that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the whole world, not just part of it. The site has an active bulletin board.

  • Websites that argue the Bible teaches annihilation instead of eternal pain and torture:

    What Does The Bible Teach About Hell?

  • Forever?

  • Keep in mind that the history of Christianity is also the history of theological / biblical controversies too numerous to mention.

    And if you are looking for lists of testimonies from people who have had Near Death Experiences, then try
    Life after death database with over 400 links

Sincerely,

Edward T. Babinski (former hellfire damnation believer and now the author of Leaving The Fold: Testimonies Of Former Fundamentalists, available at www.amazon.com, also the author of numerous articles that question Christian orthodoxy and Christian fundamentalism on the web, look under my name in YAHOO or GOOGLE! And soon to be author of The Damned Say The Damndest Things.)

Paradise Lost

A Reader Wrote: The death that Adam and Eve suffered on that fateful day in the garden has nothing to do with physical death.
Paradise Lost

So, the proposal is that Adam and Eve did not die naturally, they died, “spiritually?”

The fact remains that we donʼt have “Adam and Eveʼs” bones and we know even less of what may or may not have taken place inside them “spiritually.”

Removing objections by moving them to a metaphysical realm (that no one can verify or deny) does not demonstrate the superiority of oneʼs beliefs.

Neither does the Bible say they died “spiritually.” It just says, “In the day ye eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil ye shall die.”

Liberals, moderates, and fundamentalists have been known to go at this question for eons at a time, “what did God mean when he threatened, ‘in that day ye shall die?’” The non-fundamentalists cite an example in the Old Testament where the same phrase appears, in which the king threatens, in the day so-and-so crosses such-and-such a river, he shall die. Then so-and-so crossed the river and the king sent out someone to kill them, and they are killed. So in that section of the Bible, the phrase, “in that day ye shall die” definitely refers to physical death.

The mere fact that Eve in the Bible believed her mere “touch” of the fruit would kill her also seems to imply a threat of immediate physical death.

Hereʼs how I view the story:

Paradise Lost

by Edward T. Babinski

The Lord told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A serpent talked Eve into eating the fruit. Eve convinced Adam to take a bite. Then the Lord appeared, late as ever, and placed curses on the three parties involved, evicted Adam and Eve from the garden, and placed an angelic guard with a flaming sword at the gate so that the first juvenile delinquents might never return and eat of a different fruit, the fruit of the tree of eternal life (which would have allowed Adam and Eve to live forever). Got it? Good, letʼs move on.
- E.T.B.

Eve was clearly smarter than Adam. After all, she outwitted him about the apple.
- Bernard J. Leikind, “What Was Adamʼs IQ?” The Skeptic, Vol. 4, No. 2, 1996

According to Genesis 2:20, Adam “named all the birds of the air and beasts of the field.” The Institute for Creation Research (Impact article #265, July 1995) interprets this to mean that Adam had a “super brain,” because there are more different kinds of birds and beasts in the world than any ordinary man could “name” and remember.

Hmmm, according to my “less than super brain,” there is no mention in Genesis of Adam naming the “fish” or “creeping things,” just “the birds, and beasts of the field,” in other words, the largest most obvious creatures he came into contact with. Not much “super brain power” needed there. Furthermore, the number of different animals mentioned by “name” throughout the Bible itself is small; sometimes whole categories of animals are lumped together under a single “name.” Not much “super brain power” needed there either. And what if the author of Genesis, like everyone else in his day, did not have a clue as to how many different “birds and beasts of the field” there really were in the world? He probably assumed the number was a lot smaller, just the animals in his vicinity, and a few others he had heard about from visitors from nearby lands. So maybe he was not nearly as concerned as the Institute for Creation Research with trying to show how “super” Adamʼs brain was?

The author of Genesis was probably far more concerned with getting across the simple concept that man “dominated” the animals. So he pictured the first man “taking dominion” over “birds and beasts” by “naming” them. Back then, the ability to “name” something implied you had gained control over it. That is why Adam was depicted doing such a thing. It had nothing to do with Adam having had a “super brain.”

But if Adam indeed had a “super brain,” wouldnʼt the brains of chimpanzees in Eden have been functioning at “super high” levels too, since human and chimp DNA is so similar? And what about extinct species of apes in the fossil record that had larger brains than any living species of apes? Those creatures must have provided a challenge for Adam, especially if their brains were “suped-up” like Adamʼs. He probably beat them at chess, but what about poker? “Damn it Eve, I could have sworn those apes were bluffing. So I bet the garden. and lost. Now weʼll have to move!”
- E.T.B.

Too bad Adam couldnʼt keep focused in his “super brain” the one thing worth remembering according to the Bible fable, which was, “Do not eat of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge.” But how could a “super brain” resist the temptation to ingest more “knowledge?” Sounds like a sting operation to me.
- E.T.B.

If Adam had enough knowledge to intelligently name all the animals, either he had already eaten of the fruit of knowledge, or God didnʼt need to forbid him the fruit.
- Voltaire, Philosophical Dictionary, entry under “Genesis”

The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then Adam and Eve would have eaten the serpent.
- Mark Twain

If an all-wise, all-powerful, and all-loving Father failed to teach his kids to keep their hands off a piece of fruit, then what chance do ordinary parents have to teach their kids right from wrong?
- E.T.B.

God threw his first two children out of the house (in this case a garden) after their first mistake, and barred their way back with a flaming sword? How many loving fathers would treat their children that way after their first mistake? And what a way to treat “newborns” who were also “newlyweds!” No doubt Adam and Eve forgot to floss after eating Godʼs precious fruit, and no father will stand for that, not if Heʼs a dentist.
- E.T.B.

The best minds will tell you that when a man has begotten a child he is morally bound to tenderly care for it, protect it from hurt, shield it from disease, clothe it, feed it, bear with its waywardness, lay no hand upon it save in kindness and for its own good, and never in any case inflict upon it a wanton cruelty. But God did not forgive the ignorant and thoughtless first pair of juveniles even their first small offense and say, “You may go free this time, I will give you another chance.” On the contrary! He elected to punish their children, all through the ages to the end of time, for a trifling offense committed by others before they were born. He is punishing them yet. In mild ways? No, in atrocious ones.
- Mark Twain, Letters from the Earth

He went to all this effort to make a perfect creation then loaded it with a big self-destruct switch. Adamʼs action had no effects in and of itself, save that it angered God. God took the situation further and cursed creation and thereby created the circumstances for all future misery and hardships. Had God responded just a little differently (to say nothing of more maturely and judiciously), He could have spared billions of people, not to mention Himself, a whole lot of trouble and heartache. The sin of Adam was nothing compared to the sin of God in cursing creation. If you want to blame anyone, blame God for overreacting and for rigging his own creation to fail.
- Bruce Wildish

The reason Adam ate of the fruit of knowledge was that he didnʼt know any better. Had he had just a little more knowledge, he would have known enough not to do such a damn fool thing!

Can we return to the Garden of Eden? Well, if we returned completely, if we entered again into the complete state of innocence, we would no longer have the knowledge to prevent us from eating the apple again. And so again we would fall out of grace. It seems, therefore, that to regard the Garden of Eden, the state of innocence, as the perfect state is simply a mistake. It has the obvious imperfection of being internally unstable and self-annihilating.

Too bad there werenʼt two trees of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, a big tree and a little tree. The only knowledge to be imparted by the little tree should be, “It is a mistake to eat of the big tree.”
- Raymond Smullyan, “The Fruit of Knowledge,” This Book Needs No Title

What I cannot help wishing is that Adam and Eve had been postponed, and Martin Luther and Joan of Arc put in their place — that splendid pair equipped with temperaments not made of butter, but of asbestos. By neither sugary persuasions nor by hell fire could the serpent have beguiled them to eat the apple.
- Mark Twain

The story of Adam and Eve made no sense to me. Eve is responsible for the entire decline of humanity because she was tempted by an apple. Donʼt you think God overreacted just a tad? Itʼs not like Eve ate Godʼs last Oreo.
- Margot Black (comedian)

I have a sneaky suspicion that Adam and Eve vomited up the fruit of the Tree of “Knowledge” as soon as they were cast out of Eden. That would explain a lot.
- E.T.B.

Politically Incorrect (Television Program, Aired 1/6/99)

Bill Maher: You say animals donʼt have souls.

Brad Keena: Right.

Bill Maher: I take it by your comment that you donʼt believe in evolution.

Brad Keena: I donʼt believe in evolution. I believe in creation.

John Fugelsang: So the serpent talked to Eve and Eve talked back to it. I guess snakes used to be able to talk back then.

Elayne Boosler: Snakes talked and dogs donʼt have a soul?

[Laughter]

Brad Keena: If you read the scriptures, things changed after the fall of Adam and Eve. And the serpent wasnʼt the same. Part of his punishment was that he had to crawl along the Earth.

John Fugelsang: Right, and part of womenʼs punishment was that they have to have monthly menstruation, painful child birth and crappy wages for doing the same job as a man.

[Laughter]

Brad Keena: Men work by the sweat of their brow. Right.

Elayne Boosler: So on the whole the snake came out okay.

[Laughter]

The snake was cursed to go on his belly.
How he went before, the story does not say.

And Adam was cursed to work.
That is why we have to work.
That is, some of us — not I.
- Clarence Darrow, “From Rib to Woman”

According to Genesis 3:14 when the Lord was cursing the serpent, He added, “Cursed are you more than all cattle.” More than all cattle? God cursed cows? When? And what did the cows do? Did a few cows munch on “forbidden fruit” and turn it into “forbidden milk” in their udders, making God afraid that Adam might take a “forbidden” sip? Did God foresee a cow would tip over a lantern and start the Great Chicago Fire? Did God “curse all cattle” because a cow jumped over the moon? The Bible does not say. In fact in this respect itʼs less revealing than Mother Goose.
- E.T.B.

The story of the fall of man in Genesis seems originally to have been one of the sardonic folk tales of the Near East that explain how man once had immortality nearly within his grasp, but was cheated out of it by frightened or malicious deities [i.e., Adam and Eve were hustled from the garden by such deities before they could eat of the “fruit of the tree of life” and “live forever” like them]. We have earlier versions from Sumerian times on that are less rationalized than the one in Genesis…The Genesis account permits itself a verse (3:22) in which God seems to be telling other gods that man (after eating of the “fruit of the tree of knowledge”) is “now one of us,” in a position to threaten their power unless they do something about it at once, with a break in the syntax that suggests genuine terror.
- Northrop Frye, The Great Code: The Bible and Literature

Genesis (chapters two and three) depicts Adam and Eve being hustled from the garden by a frightened or indignant deity after they have tasted the fruit of the tree of knowledge “and become like one of us” (like “gods,” or like “God,” depending on your translation). Better evict them before they also take a bite out of “the fruit of the tree of eternal life,” and become even more like gods.

Such myths were invented to explain why man was superior to the animals in having god-like knowledge and amazing creative abilities like speech, yet still suffered the ignominy of death along with all the other animals. Hence, myths arose about man being cheated out of the other god-like quality he wished he had along with his intelligence, namely eternal life.

Speaking of “god-like” qualities, Genesis plainly states, as many theologians have pointed out, that man was created in Godʼs physical image. Some verses make this connection abundantly clear: “When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God…[And then when] Adam became the father of a son [it was] in his own likeness, according to his image.” (Gen. 5:1,3)

Ancient peoples even spread fables about how the gods found human females “beautiful” — nearly as beautiful as the gods themselves were depicted as being. Such fables are echoed in Genesis 6:2: “And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.” In short, the ancient Hebrews believed that humanity was made in the physical image of “God,” even in an image that the “sons of God” found irresistibly attractive. In a similar fashion the ancient Greeks believed that they bore a physical resemblance to their gods, Zeus, Apollo, etc.

Speaking of the Hebrew Lord resembling Zeus, see the section “Lightning (A Heretic Makes a Shocking Discovery)” which explains how both the Hebrew Lord and Zeus liked to “cover their hands with the lightnings” and “restrain” or “loose” it; and how the roar of thunder was viewed as their “voice.” Moreover, nothing pleased both their noses better than the aroma of flaming sacrificial livestock. As it says in the Bible, “the Lord smelled the soothing aroma.” (Gen. 8:21; Ex. 29:18; Lev. 1:17, 3:5; Num. 15:13,24; 29:28)
- E.T.B.

Heart, Head and Mind - Prescientific Ignorance in the Bible

“This is similar to what I wrote concerning Holdingsʼ denial of the evidence concerning pre-scientific notions in the Bible, only this response is in far greater detail.

“An e-friend I met over a decade ago, Lorance Collins wrote a companion piece to my own “Bible and the Brain,” itʼs featured below as part of my reply. I edited Loranceʼs conclusion however, in a way that I feel makes the piece more challenging to fundamentalists.

“Best, Ed

On Tuesday, June 24, 2003 “TSBDoulos” wrote: “Short point on the brain not being mentioned in the bible”
“Though you are correct the brain is not directly mentioned. But the head is and its place as the controller of the body too. Itʼs in Colossians - I am leaving the reference out on purpose to encourage you to look for yourself (Itʼs a short book). Email me if you cannot find it after looking - I can tell you where exactly.
“I really think that you should add this to your essay on the Brain not being mentioned, as some kind of footnote perhaps.
Heart, Head and Mind - Prescientific Ignorance in the Bible

My Response:

“Dear TSBDoulos,

“Pleased to meet you. Thank you very much for your email.

“I have searched Colossians as you requested at http://www.biblegateway.com ] and found the following verses that you may have been referring to in your email:

“Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

“Colossians 2:10
and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

“Colossians 2:19
He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

“The word for “head” in the above verse is of course from the Greek language.
I mentioned the various opinions of the ancients in my article, including the ancient Greeks, ancient Egyptians and ancient Hebrews. The ancient opinion was that the “heart” was the most important organ in the body — the “heart” is often referred to by the ancients as the primary organ of the soul that harbored intelligence and feeling. The Bible does not transcend ancient “appearance-based” pre-scientific views in this respect, but agrees with them. The Bible even mentions the “bowels” and “kidneys” leading a man, and being “tested” by God. The Bible even puts much stock in the “blood” and “breath” as well. But no mention of the “brain.” Odd for a book that creationists claim teaches us “science.”

“It wasnʼt until around 460-370 B.C. that the Greek philosopher Democritus contested the heart-centered views found in Homerʼs Iliad, and then the Greek physician Hippocrates backed up Democritusʼ hypothesis with his observations, and Plato [428-348 B.C.] in his dialogue entitled Timaeus argued that the intellectual part of the soul was contained in the “head.” Still, Aristotle [384-322 B.C.], Platoʼs student and successor, reverted to the earlier, more ancient, heart-centered view of the soul.

“The New Testament of course was written about 500 years after Democritus and Hippocrates and Plato began preaching their brain-centered views. So it would not be remarkable if we did find at least some reference in the New Testament to the brain-centered views of those earlier Greeks who propounded it — since the New Testament was, after all, written using Greek words (like the Greek word for “head”). Yet even writing in Greek, the New Testament authors failed to mention the “brain” even once. Though the Greek physician Hippocrates could write, about 500 years before the N.T. in The Sacred Disease, “Men ought to know that from the human brain and from the brain only arise our pleasures, joys, laughter, and jests as well as our sorrows, pains, griefs and tears…. It is the same thing which makes us mad or delirious, inspires us with dread and fear, whether by night or by day, brings us sleeplessness, inopportune mistakes, aimless anxieties, absent-mindedness and acts that are contrary to habit….” Though Paul in Colossians does use the Greek word, “head,” more or less as Plato did, hundreds of years before the New Testament was written. By Paulʼs day such a usage for “head” had become a common convention.

“All of the above information was covered in my article. For further information suited to the exact point you raised, i.e., the meaning of “head” in the New Testament as a possible reference to “modern science,” I submit the following examination by Lorence G. Collins:

“Does the Bible Contradict Accepted Biological Concepts?”
by Lorence G. Collins

“The Heart versus the Brain
In Strongʼs Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, which is a listing of primary words contained in the King Jamesʼ version of the Bible, the brain is not mentioned once, whereas the heart is cited 826 times. Thought and emotions, however, can be said to occur in oneʼs head or mind, and, therefore, the citations of “head” (360 times) and “mind” (96 times) must be examined. An analysis shows that although the head contains the brain, in the Bible the word “head” is used only in two senses:
(1) as a reference to that part of the body that can be, or example, bowed, injured, or crowned, or
(2) to represent leadership when someone is described as being the “head” of a household, church, or a government. But the “head” is not represented as the site where all thinking and emotional feelings originate.

“This analysis also applies to the word “mind,” although in a few places “mind” is simultaneously used in the same sentence with the word “heart.” In these places, however, it still is not clear from the context that the mind is located in the brain or head. For example:

  • “…which is in mine heart, and in my mind … I Sam 2:35

  • “…perfect heart and with a willing mind… Chr 28:9

  • “…with all thy heart, with all thy soul, with all thy strength, and with all thy mind… Luke 10:27

“These examples, however, could just as well represent the writerʼs use of different words to mean the same thing in order to give emphasis, which is a literary technique commonly used in the Bible.

“In the Bible the heart is considered the seat of life or strength. Hence, it means mind, soul, spirit, or oneʼs entire emotional nature and understanding. The heart also is the primary source of such bad behavior as adultery, hatred, lust, mischief, pride, and rebellion as well as such neutral or good behavior as desire, doubt, fear, gladness, love, obedience, and sorrow. The heart is the organ that is said to have the ability to reason, question, meditate, motivate, and think. All of these mental processes in todayʼs world are normally associated with oneʼs mind or brain and not the heart (except metaphorically).

“God or the Lord is described as being able to know, search, enlighten, open, recreate, examine, strengthen, and establish oneʼs heart — not the mind. One can have a clean, contrite, perfect, pure, or wise heart, but those qualities are not biblically attributed to the mind.

  • “The following are biblical examples from the King James Bible of emotional states or mental abilities of the heart 1.

  • “…he will be glad in his heart… Ex 4:14

  • “…he will harden his heart… Ex 4:20

  • “…hate thy brother in thine heart… Lev 19:17

  • “…For as he thinketh in his heart, so is… Prov 23:7

  • “…But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man. For out of the heart comes evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness… Mt 15:17-20

“Today we may ask, “How did I get this thought in my mind?” Not once does the Bible attribute having thought(s), thinking, understanding, considering, meditating, or pondering as coming from the mind.

“These mental processes generally are cited as coming from the heart. For example 2:

  • “…consider in thine heart, that the… Deut 4:39

  • “…understand with their heart, and convert… Is 6:10

  • “…thine heart shall meditate terror… Is 33:18

  • “…and pondered them in her heart… Luke 2:19

  • “…perceiving the thoughts of their hearts… Luke 9:47

  • “One example exists of thoughts coming into a personʼs mind:

  • “…thy thoughts came into thy mind…” Dan 2:29.

  • “But this “thoughts-mind” association is immediately followed in the next passage by an explanation of where the mind is:

  • “…that thou might know the thoughts of thy heart…” Dan 2:30.

  • “Reasoning (questioning), which is a mental process that is generally associated with the brain or mind, is also clearly defined as coming from the heart. For example:

  • “…and reasoning of their hearts… Mark 2:6

  • “…Why reason these things in your heart… Mark 2:8

  • “…What reason ye in your hearts… Luke 5:22

  • “Being wise, having wisdom, knowing, or having knowledge or learning are also normally considered as mental processes occurring in the mind or brain, but these qualities are associated in the Bible only with the heart. For example 3:

  • “…He is wise in heart, and mighty in… Job 9:4

  • “…ye know in all your hearts and in all… Josh 23:14

  • “…and apply thine heart unto my knowledge… Prov 22:17

  • “…I applied my heart to know wisdom… Eccl 8:16

“The process of learning and acquiring knowledge and wisdom, therefore, in the Bible is an application primarily of the heart rather than the mind.

“In one place in the Bible the word “mind” is associated with the word “wisdom,” “…and here is the mind which has wisdom…” Rev 17:9. But here again, there is no clue that the writer knows where the mind is. The other dominant citations certainly imply that the mind is considered to be in the heart.

“Because of the biblical influence on language, the word “heart” has continued in modern usages to parallel biblical patterns. For example, we speak of a “broken heart” in a jilted love relationship, and we have bumper stickers today that say “I heart (symbol) my dog,” or “I heart (symbol) Jesus.” We do not interpret the latter to say “I muscle Jesus,” even though we know that the feeling of love cannot reside in cardiac muscle tissue. Moreover, we do not translate the heart symbol into any feeling other than love, even though the Bible says that hate or lust also originates in the heart.

“As another example of biblical influence on language, a young man may woo a girl by saying: “I love you with all of my heart.” Likely, she would not react as favorably if he told her: “I love you with all of my brains.”

“The lack of a modern scientific interpretation of the function of the heart in the Bible occurs because in the time of Jesus, the people considered the heart as the center of the body. All arteries lead from the heart. It pulses with life. The brain was thought to be some kind of organ that filtered the blood, but otherwise it was relatively unimportant.

“The custom of offering blood and sacrifices to gods was common in many ancient cultures and supports the contention that ancient cultures considered the heart to be more important than the brain. The Israelites also continued this custom when they offered blood from animals that were sacrificed to Jahweh in the Temple in Jerusalem. In none of these ancient cultures was the brain sacrificed.

“This misunderstanding of the importance of the brain is also illustrated by the Egyptian culture. When their temple priests mummified their pharaohs, they carefully cut out the heart and saved it for the preserved body, but they scraped the brains out of the skull through the nostrils and threw away the scrapings.

“On the basis of the above analyses, if the Bible were an accurate guide today to medical science, then, emotional feelings, knowledge, and wisdom should be considered to reside in the heart and not the brain. Therefore, in our medical institutions, if creation scientists are correct about the scientific accuracy of the Bible, we should be teaching todayʼs psychiatrists and medical doctors to treat the heart with drugs for mental diseases, to operate on the heart for mental problems, and to ignore the brain in these situations.

“The Creation Science Response
How does a creation scientists handle these three scientific problems in the Bible? I corresponded with one to find out. (This person is identified by using “he” or “his,” but the reader can also assume a female.) He has written many articles on science and the Bible and will not be identified in this article to preserve anonymity. I assume, however, that his replies are typical.

“Heart versus the Brain Response
My correspondent chose to avoid my suggestion that the omission of the word “brain” in the Bible implies that the brain had little importance to biblical writers and/or that its function was poorly understood. Instead his reply concentrated on three relationships: (1) the significance of the word “head,”
(2) whether “thought” is said to come from the “heart,” and (3) whether “mind” and “heart” have equivalent usages in the Bible. I have paraphrased his responses.

  1. “Significance of “Head”
    My informant chose not to use the King James version of the Bible but cited the New American Standard Bible as having significant statements.

    • “…wise manʼs eyes are in his head… Eccl 2:14

    • “…Christ is the head of every man… II Cor 11:3

    • “…Him as head over all things… Eph 1:22

    • “…Christ also is the head of the church… Eph

    • “And then he pointed out that it is obvious that wisdom dwells in the head and not the heart and that Christ is the head and not the heart of man.

      “In spite of these reasonable biblical quotes and points, it is not obvious from the first quotation (Eccl 2:14) that the source of wisdom is in the head. The eyes of a wise man are obviously in the head and not the stomach or the leg, for example, but are eyes to be equated with wisdom? The source of wisdom of the wise man could just as well be in the heart or anywhere in the body. This scriptural passage does not elucidate where wisdom originates.

      “In the other thee biblical quotations concerning Christ as the head of every man, head over all things, and head of the church, “head” is used to represent a leadership role and has nothing to do with wisdom or thought. All four quotations in no way suggest that thinking, thought, or reasoning originate in the head.

  2. “Thought from the Heart?
    The response continues by pointing out that in II Cor 10:5, “bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ” certainly does not mean “heart.” But how does he know? Who can tell from the biblical quote where “thought” comes from?

  3. “Equivalent Usages of Heart and Mind in the Bible
    In regard to the equivalency of the words “mind” and “heart,” his response provided the following quotations from the New American Standard Bible, which is then followed by the creation scientistʼs arguments.

  • “…in his right mind… Mark 5:15-20

  • “…changed their minds… Acts 28-6

  • “…over to a depraved mind… Rom 1:28,p.

  • “…complete in the same mind… I Cor 1:10

  • “…being of the same mind… Phil 2:2

  • “He avers that here the word “mind” cannot be replaced with “heart” and make any sense out of them. He opines that although heart and mind are comparable in many places, they are certainly not equal and do not refer to the same entity.

    “In the aforesaid arguments he dodges the issue. The word “heart” could very well be substituted in each of these quotations on the basis of the many examples given in the first part of this article in which emotional expressions and mental thoughts are attributed to the heart.

    “If it is true that the Bible is scientifically accurate in separating the mind from the heart as being distinctly different, then somewhere that distinction might be expected to be clearly “spelled out.” For example, letʼs look again at three examples of the aforesaid quotations to emphasize points previously made.

  • “…he will be glad in heart… Ex 4:14

  • “…why do thoughts arise in your heart… Luke 24:38

  • “…nor understand with their heart… John 12:40

    “In all usages recorded in Strongʼs Concordance of the words that apply to emotions or mental capacities, which for some words is several hundred citations, there are no equivalent passages that read, for example:

  • “…he be glad in his mind (head)…

  • “…why do thoughts arise in your mind (head)…

  • “…nor understand with your mind (head)…

“And this lack of equivalency applies to all other quotations listed in the first part of this article as well. The few examples are those aforesaid quotations in which emphasis is likely being used or in which “mind” is explained to be equivalent to “heart.”

“A passage that the creation scientist did not include in his response is, “…a wise manʼs heart discerneth…: Eccl 8:5. This passage seems to be a direct indication that wisdom comes from the heart. Moreover, the following passage was also omitted in the response: “…The words of a wise manʼs mouth are…” Eccl 12:11. It might be equally logical, therefore, to argue that “it is obvious” that the source of wisdom lies in the mouth.

“In all arguments made by the creation scientist for the three items which were discussed above, he uses modern-day knowledge that the mind is in the brain, when, in fact, if he were true to a literal reading of the Bible, he would have to argue that this knowledge is false. For example: “…why do thoughts arise in your heart…” (Luke 24:38).

Conclusion

“[edited by Edward T. Babinski]

“The majority of the Bible is based on the same “heart-centered” preconceptions found in the ancient world at the time it was written, and those preconceptions contradict a major biological concept: The heart is not the source of emotions or the seat of learning, reasoning, and thinking; the brain is.

“Creation scientists” bend Biblical interpretations to suit their prior purpose of “not finding any scientific errors” in the Bible. In other words they are “liberal” in their Biblical interpretation whenever it suits their purpose, i.e., interpreting words “metaphorically” to try and make the Bible more closely approximate our present scientific understanding, while ignoring the evidence that the books of the Bible contain plenty of evidence of being subject to the same level of “scientific ignorance” that was most prominent in the days when those books were written.

Notes

  1. “Additional examples are: Jer 13:10, Acts 28:27, Is 10:7, and Mt 9:4.

  2. “Other examples are: Deut 15:9, Dan 10:22, Job 38:35, Ps 19:14, Prov 8:5, Prov 31:12, Mark 7:21, John 12:40, and Luke 24:38.

  3. “Other examples include: Ex 35:26, Jer 24:7, Ps 90:12, Prov 16:23, Eccl 2:3, and Eccl 7:25.

References

  • “Strong, J., 1990, The New Strongʼs Concordance of the Bible. Nashville, The Thomas Nelson Publishers.

  • “Whitcomb, J. C., Jr., 1973, The World That Perished. Winona, IN: Baker Book House.

  • “This article was originally published in Creation/Evolution, Issue 36, Summer, 1995, p. 15-23.

  • “Dr. Lorence G. Collins
    Department of Geological Sciences
    California State University Northridge
    18111 Nordhoff Street
    Northridge, CA 91330-8266
    FAX 818-677-2820

Arian Controversy, Theodosian Code, Justinian Code and the Trinity

Arian Controversy, Theodosian Code, Justinian Code and the Trinity

I was watching Faith Under Fire the other night, and the host, Lee Strobel, read a letter he had recʼd that conveyed no argument, just attitude. Lee donned the martyrs cloak after reading it, and said, “We must be doing something right,” or a similar phrase. But why waste air time reading such a non-comment when Lee must have received other emails that at least contained an argument or two?

That incident sums up the state of the media today, even the state of a Christian apologetics TV program. Faith Under Fire seeks the “fast-paced, face-off format of Hardball or The OʼReilly Factor,” to quote one of the segment producers who contacted me months ago. In a way that is not just the mediaʼs fault, because conservative Christianity also help reinforce the alpha-maleness of our culture in general. In this corner we have Satan, and in the other we have God, in an Armageddon duel to the death. The OʼReilly Factor on steroids.

After watching Faith Under Fire, I decided to send them a few comments of my own. The program I decided to respond to was on The Trinity, and it featured a debate between Rabbi Singer of Jews for Judaism who explained what the Hebrew Scriptures say, and the well known Christian apologist William Lane Craig, who has the same Howdy Doody profile as Tim LaHaye and Kent Hovind, which is mere coincidence Iʼm sure, but nonetheless struck me as funny. (Unrelated to the Faith Under Fire program, but related to Judaism, has anyone seen the new “KewlJu” products “for the 21st Century Jew?” They seem to be a take off of the “WWJD” bracelets. Google “KewlJu”).

Here are the comments I sent Faith Under Fire

Dear Faith Under Fire,

Your program about the U.S. being a “Christian nation” featured David Barton, someone who has admitted to using “unsubstantiated” quotations in his videos and books. Historians of America and of American Christianityfind Bartonʼs research and arguments less than well-informed. See James H. Hutson, ed. Religion and the New Republic: Faith in the Founding of America. Lanham, Md., and Oxford, England: Rowman and Littlefield Publishers, Inc., 2000, featuring the article, “Why Revolutionary America Wasnʼt a ‘Christian Nation” by Jon Butler, the William Robertson Coe Professor of American Studies and History at Yale University. Asking if late eighteenth-century America was a Christian country, Butler proposes to “look at government, society, and people to recover what men and women of the time did and believed” (p. 189). He discovers that the answer to his question is complicated.

In some ways, America on the eve of the Revolution was more religious than it had been in the seventeenth century. Revivalism and denominational expansion during the eighteenth century caused a tremendous growth in the number of congregations. Moreover, the “state church apparatus” (p. 189) was also becoming stronger, with seven of the thirteen colonies giving legal support to a single Protestant church. Even in colonies without an establishment, Catholics, Jews, and blasphemers frequently endured legal discrimination and penalties.

But despite congregational growth and legal support for churches, most eighteenth-century Americans remained indifferent to religion. Before the Revolution, about eighty percent of adults did not even belong to a church.

America was only nominally and formally Christian. Indeed, Butler argues that the laws establishing state churches and favoring Protestant Christianity were needed “precisely because actual Christian adherence in the population was relatively weak” (p. 191).

After the Revolution, denominational rivalries and Enlightenment objections to religious coercion led states “to withdraw from or greatly reduce government involvement with religion” (p. 192). In state after state, single-church establishments fell after religious pluralism provoked bitter political squabbles over tax support and legislative favoritism. The culmination of Americansʼ increasing suspicion of government partiality in religion was the First Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Going far beyond the prohibition of an established church, the First Amendment “banned government activity in religion generally” (p. 196).

Revolutionary Americans understood that theirs was “a society where Christianity was important yet not ubiquitous” (p. 197). It was not a Christian nation. There was too much indifference, heterodoxy, and atheism to call it that. Given their religious diversity and its potential for turmoil, Americans realized that they could preserve civil peace and promote spiritual renewal only by keeping government from meddling in religion. If the United States were ever to become a Christian nation, it would do so as “a matter of practice, not law or governmental encouragement” (p. 198).

Looking back, Butler marvels at the “remarkable risks taken by remarkable men and women in remarkable times” (p. 189). In separating government and religion, they boldly devised an arrangement that was, in its day, virtually unprecedented and that became, in the days to follow, notably successful. As Butler comments, their risks and their achievements still “challenge modern Americans who would pretend to exercise equal leadership on still difficult questions of religion, the state, conscience, and faith” (p. 189).

Even some of his fellow fundamentalist Christians find Bartonʼs arguments to be simplistic and miss the forest for the trees. Fundamentalist Christian author, Dennis Woods, a political pollster with credentials in journalism, education and theology, in his book, Discipling the Nations—The Government Upon His Shoulders, poses the question, “Why are documented historical facts routinely being revised and distorted…by evangelical Christians?” This fundamental question leads to a host of other questions that are in turn addressed by the book. For example….

If the U.S. Constitution is a Christian document why does it contain no substantive references to God?

Why do the Federalist Papers contain no references to the Bible and almost 30 references to the governments of pagan Greece and Rome?

Why does the U.S. Constitution deny a religious test for public office, when almost all of its colonial forerunners required such a test?

Why does the Constitution rely on “we the people” to “ordain and establish this Constitution” rather than God, as did nearly every one of its predecessors?

What is the critical difference between government by social compact and government by Biblical covenant? Which one is the U.S. Constitution?

Why were the state legislatures excluded from a part in confirming the U.S. Constitution, as required by the Articles of Confederation? (p. 33)

Why did strong Christian statesmen such as Patrick Henry, John Hancock and Samuel Adams explicitly refuse the invitation to attend the Constitutional Convention?

Why was the convention shrouded in secrecy, with all notes sequestered until after the death of the last delegate?

Why did James Madison believe that Christianity was a source of faction rather than the unifying factor in civil government?

The author believes that the naïve or simplistic responses typically offered by Evangelicals like John Eidsmoe, David Barton (WallBuilders), Peter Marshall, and D.James Kennedy damage the credibility of the very cause they are trying to defend.

Also, I visited a website at Yale University that features the “Treaty of Tripoli.” If Barton cares what the original treaty said, he should read it, “ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Cheers,

Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former
Fundamentalists, Prometheus Books, paperback 2003)


On The History Of Trinitarian-Related Theological Disputes

(and Books by Ex-Jews for Jesus members)

Your program on the Trinity could have included some historical background on the question, especially since the Arian and Athanasius conflict was perhaps the biggest feud in early Christianity, a conflict that arose because Christians could not agree how to understand and define Jesusʼs connection with “God.” Different theologians stressed different Scriptural passages as proof of their views. In the end, Emperors exiled bishops and burned the books of the opposition, as if that “settled” the question. But the question arose again during the Reformation, when Unitarianism was born. In America around the time of the American Revolution half of the Congregationalist churches in Boston converted to Unitarianism. Some of Americaʼs earliest founding fathers and presidents were Unitarians, as well as Florence Nightingale (founder of modern nursing) and Clara Barton (founder of the American Red Cross). In the 1920s a Unitarian minister of one of New York cities largest churches debated a well known Baptist in Carnegie Hall (during the era of fundamentalist-modernist controversy that split so many churches and denominations in America in the 1920s). Besides Unitarians there are other Bible believing religious denominations that have rejected the Trinity and argue their rejection on Scriptural grounds.

There are even former fundamentalist Christians who have gotten hooked on Moses and formed the “Bʼnai Noah movement.” They no longer call themselves “Christians,” but “God-fearers,” or, “Noachides.” Jesus is revered by “Noachides” as a great prophet, but not worshipped as “God.” They are convinced that the early Christian deification of Jesus was an error, due to pagan influences creeping into Judaism at that time and place in history. Instead of believing in the deity of Christ, the Trinity, and the saving power of Jesusʼ sacrifice; they believe in the “one God” of Israel, repentance for forgiveness of sins, and following the moral commands that God gave to Noah for all mankind. Members of this movement have orthodox rabbis preach at their conferences and help them study “The Torah.” They also sell books and tapes that defend their beliefs and point out errors in orthodox Christian beliefs.

Skip Porteusʼs testimony was also varied, he went from being a secular Jews to becoming a Pentecostal Christian minister, then left Christianity to become an anti-Religious Right activist (and author of Jesus Doesnʼt Live Here Any More: From Fundamentalist to Freedom Writer), but then returned to the faith of his fathers, Judaism.

Speaking of Jews for Jesus, at least two of them have written books about their experiences in Jews for Jesus and why they left. One of them was even a poster child for the organization. Both found the organization to have cultish overtones. See: Jo Ann Schneider Farrisʼs book, Sentenced for Life - A Story of an Entry and an Exit into the World of Fundamentalist Christianity and Jews for Jesus. Also see the story of former poster child for Jews for Jesus, Ellen Kamentsky, whose smiling face appeared in a “Jews for Jesus” advertisement in Newsweek magazine (Dec. 7, 1987), who wrote in her book: “I handed out thousands of pamphlets and gathered hundreds of phone numbers praying that God would send open victims across my path. I was a religious fanatic. I believed all people who did not accept my truth were going to Hell. Mine was no nine to five calling. I was always on call, praying, preaching, looking for converts… Members of Jews for Jesus are masters of disguise. They hide their true nature (sometimes even from themselves) and present a carefully contrived image to the world. Groups like them work by preying on our religious doubts and exploiting our insecurities. They seek simple answers to complex questions. They use dogmatism to produce certainty. Today, I revere reasoning and celebrate my Jewishness. I hope this book encourages people to find and celebrate their own truth. Know yourself, discover your own truth, so when someone approaches you hawking God, you can say, ‘Thank you very much, but Iʼm finding my own way.”

Also google: ex-Jews for Jesus, or, Former Jews for Jesus

Lastly, there are numerous Bible scholars who study the Bible historically, and who doubt that Jesus said the words in the fourth Gospel that Trinitarians rely on. Such scholars present obvious reasons for doubting the authenticity of the words that appear in Jesusʼs mouth in the fourth Gospel. At the very least their reasons make the fourth Gospel the most suspect of the four, historically speaking.

Cheers,

Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists, paperback ed., 2003)

P.S., In case you have not yet run across it, I have commented on your program in a newsletter produced by one of your guests, Dr. Michael Shermer:

Source: www.skeptic.com/eskeptic08-13-04.html

Also, if you have time I suggest reading one particular work on the web by a former Christian. The work is called, Beyond Born Again, written by Dr. Robert M. Price, who now has two Ph.D.s, one in N.T. history and the other in N.T. theology. His book comments on the apologetics of his generation. Many of the apologists whom he cites in his book were the equivalent (in Dr. Priceʼs generation) of ones you interviewed in your own series of books.


On the Laws Made by Christian Emperors to Enforce the Trinity

The necessity of belief in the “Catholic” church, and the “Trinity” was placed at the head of the Justinian Code, and everyone in the Empire who disagreed was judged “demented and insane,” and subject to the Emperorʼs wrath.

The Justinian Code incorporated the earlier Theodosian Code from the century before that legalized and institutionalized intolerance of thought for centuries, something even the Romans had never done (they restricted their intolerance to rituals, not thought). Calvin and Luther and the Catholics all cited the Theodosian and subsequent Justinian code to justify their own intolerant excesses in the realm of religious belief, like executing people, most prominently, the Anabaptists and members of smaller Christian sects that were neither Calvinist nor Lutheran. As for the other laws of both of those Christian codes, the basic laws that regulate interpersonal relations, they were already in use by the Romans, and many of them resembled common sense laws, except of course for the religious laws which lead off the Code:

The Code of our Lord the Most Sacred Emperor Justinian. Second Edition.

Book 1. Title 1. Concerning the most exalted trinity and the catholic faith and providing that no one shall dare to publicly oppose them.

1. The Emperors Gratian, Valentinian, and Theodosius to the people of the City of Constantinople.

We desire that all peoples subject to Our benign Empire shall live under the same religion that the Divine Peter, the Apostle, gave to the Romans, and which the said religion declares was introduced by himself, and which it is well known that the Pontiff Damascus, and Peter, Bishop of Alexandria, a man of apostolic sanctity, embraced; that is to say, in accordance with the rules of apostolic discipline and the evangelical doctrine, we should believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit constitute a single Deity, endowed with equal majesty, and united in the Holy Trinity.

(1) We order all those who follow this law to assume the name of Catholic Christians, and considering others as demented and insane, We order that they shall bear the infamy of heresy; and when the Divine vengeance which they merit has been appeased, they shall afterwards be punished in accordance with Our resentment, which we have acquired from the judgment of Heaven. Dated at Thessalonica, on the third of the Kalends of March, during the Consulate of Gratian, Consul for the fifth time, and Theodosius.

2. The Same Emperors to Eutropius, Praetorian Prefect. Let no place be afforded to heretics for the conduct of their ceremonies, and let no occasion be offered for them to display the insanity of their obstinate minds. Let all persons know that if any privilege has been fraudulently obtained by means of any rescript whatsoever, by persons of this kind, it will not be valid. Let all bodies of heretics be prevented from holding unlawful assemblies, and let the name of the only and the greatest God be celebrated everywhere, and let the observance of the Nicene Creed, recently transmitted to Our ancestors, and firmly established by the testimony and practice of Divine Religion, always remain secure.

(1) Moreover, he who is an adherent of the Nicene Faith, and a true believer in the Catholic religion, should be understood to be one [pg. 10] who believes that Almighty God and Christ, the son of God, are one person, God of God, Light of Light; and let no one, by rejection, dishonor the Holy Spirit, whom we expect, and have received from the Supreme Parent of all things, in whom the sentiment of a pure and undefiled faith flourishes, as well as the belief in the undivided substance of a Holy Trinity, which true believers indicate by the Greek word These things, indeed do not require further proof, and should be respected.

(2) Let those who do not accept those doctrines cease to apply the name of true religion to their fraudulent belief; and let them be branded with their open crimes, and, having been removed from the threshold of all churches, be utterly excluded from them, as We forbid all heretics to hold unlawful assemblies within cities. If, however, any seditious outbreak should be attempted, We order them to be driven outside the the walls of the City, with relentless violence, and We direct that all Catholic Churches, throughout the entire world, shall be placed under the control of the orthodox bishops who have embraced the Nicene Creed. Given at Constantinople, on the fourth of the ides of January, under the Consulate of Flavius Eucharius and Flavius Syagrius. Source: Corpus Juris Civilis (The Civil Law, the Code of Justinian), by S.P. Scott, A.M., published by the Central Trust Company, Cincinnati, copyright 1932, Volume 12 [of 17], pages 9-12, 125.

On The Theodosian Code

In 436, the lawyers of Theodosius II (408-450), the grandson of Theodosius I, met in Constantinople to bring together the edicts of his Christian predecessors in a single book. The subsequent Theodosian Code appears in 438.

When early medieval Christians looked back to Rome, what they saw, first and foremost, was not the “Golden Age” of classical Rome (as we would tend to do). The pagan empire did not impress them. It was the Theodosian Code that held their attention and esteem. It was the official voice of the Roman Empire at its greatest, that is, when it was the Roman empire as God always intended it to be — a Christian empire. The Code ended with a book On Religion. (The later Justinian Code BEGAN with religious laws) This book, in itself, signaled the arrival of a new attitude to religion. Religious belief as such was not treated as a subject for legislation. As we have seen, Roman had always been concerned with the correct performance of religions, with the maintenance of traditional rites. But this attitude had been replaced by the new definition of “religion” which, was we saw, had emerged in the course of the third century A.D. Now it was “thought-crime” itself — wrong view on religion in general, and not simply failure to practice traditional rites in the traditional manner — which was disciplined. In the Theodosian Code, extracts from the laws issued from the reign of Constantine to that of Theodosius II were arranged in chronological order. They communicated a rising sense of governmental certainty. There was to be little place, in the new Roman order, for heresy, schism, or Judaism, and no place at all for “the error of stupid paganism.”

- Peter Brown, The Rise of Western Christendom, 2nd Ed., (Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishing, 2003), p. 75

Cheers,

Edward T. Babinski (author of Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists, Prometheus Books, paperback, 2005)


“Who” and or “What” was Jesus?

The Arian-Athanasian Controversy, during which more Christians killed Christians than Romans killed Christians during the previous 250 years.

The First Ecumenical Church Council—Held at Nicea

From the very first the Church was faced with the task of establishing dogmas. For Christianity abounds in problems more hinted at than answered in the New Testament.The first ecumenical church council, the Council of Nicea, assembled in the year 325 in the imperial palace of the first Christian emperor, Constantine. Once the discussions started the participants threw their episcopal dignity to the wind and shouted wildly at each other. They were concerned primarily with improving their positions of power.

[(Concerning such “power”) we must remember that Constantine built some impressive churches and they did not stand alone. They usually stood in a complex of buildings that included an audience hall in which the bishop presided as judge, an extensive bishopʼs palace, warehouses for supplies for the poor, and, above all, an impressive courtyard, of the sort which stood in front of a noblemanʼs town house. Such building complexes made palpable the emergence of a new style of urban leadership. Christians themselves built countless other churches of more moderate size, that reflected the ability of the local clergy to mobilize local loyalties and to appear to local pride. Bishops and clergy received immunities from taxes and from compulsory public services. In each city, the Christian clergy became the only group that expanded rapidly, at a time when the strain of empire had brought other civic associations to a standstill. Bound by oath to “their” bishop, a whole hierarchy of priests, deacons, and minor clergy formed an ordo in miniature, as subtly graded as any town council, and as tenaciously attached to its privileges. Furthermore, Constantine expected that the bishop would act as exclusive judge and arbiter in cases between Christians, and even between Christians and non-Christians. Normal civil litigation had become prohibitively expensive. As a result, the bishop, already regarded as the God-like judge of sin among believers, rapidly became the ombudsman of an entire community. Besides this, the imperial supplies of food and clothing, granted to the clergy to distribute to the poor, turned the ferociously inward-looking care of fellow-believers for each other, which had characterized the Christian churches of an earlier age, into something like a public welfare system, designed to alleviate, and to control, the urban poor as a whole.

—Peter Brown, The Rise of Western Christendom, 2nd Ed., (Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishing, 2003), p.78]

Thus at the Council of Nicea diplomacy was wielded as a weapon, and intrigues often replaced intelligence. There were so many ignorant bishops that one participant bluntly called the council “a synod of nothing but blockheads.”

[The bishops at the Council of Nicea condemned and forbade kneeling at prayer on Sundays, and also on any day between Easter and Whitsunday.]

Walter Nigg, The Heretics


The Major Theological Debate that Took Place at the Council of Nicea

At the Council of Nicea a theological debate took place that set the stage for disputations and even riots between Christians in the following centuries. Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria defended his own teaching that Jesus was of the same exact essence (Homoousios) as the Father. Taking the other side of the debate, bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia endorsed the position of a theologian named Arius (who saw himself as defending the position of early church fathers like Origen and Tertullian, who did not speak of Jesus being of the same exact essence as the Father.) As with all theological debates, the council reached a deadlock.

It was at this point that the Emperor Constantine, who had convened the council, stepped in and sided with Athanasius. He argued that everyone present should sign the new creed that stated Jesus was of the same exact essence (Homoousios) as the Father: “Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten not made, by the Father as his only Son, of the same essence (Homoousios) with the Father, God of God, Light of Light.” Constantineʼs desire to deify Jesus was not in the least surprising. It was a natural carry over from his pagan past when he had his father, Constantius, deified. It is thus natural that he would want to see the founder of his new religion put on the same pedestal as well. Constantine added that whoever agreed to the new creed would be invited to his twentieth anniversary celebration, while those who did not agree would face immediate banishment. As a result, all but seventeen die-hard Arians signed the new creed. One can only speculate how many of the bishops signed due to Constantineʼs threat. We do know that many of the bishops who agreed initially, due to the emperorʼs threat, withdrew their agreements after returning to their own cities. Thus Eusebius, one of the signatories to the new creed, wrote (on behalf of himself and two other bishops) to Constantine upon return to Nicomedia: “We committed an impious act, O Prince, by subscribing to a blasphemy for fear of you.” Whatever may be the reaction of the bishops who signed the formula unwillingly, the emperor was quick to act. He ordered the banishment of Arius and the burning of his writings. The leading Arian bishops were also deposed.

“The Arian Controversy” [Online at The Rejection of Pascalʼs Wager]


“If any treatise composed by Arius should be discovered, let it be consigned to the flames, in order that no memorial of him may be by any means left. This therefore I [Constantine] decree, that if any one shall be detected in concealing a book compiled by Arius, and shall not instantly bring it forward and burn it, the penalty for this offence shall be death; for immediately after conviction the criminal shall suffer capital punishment.”

Letter of Constantine To the Bishops and People, c. 333 A.D. in which he proscribed the works of Arius [a Christian] and in which he also proscribed the works of the pagan scholar Porphyry [who questioned Christianity], as cited in A New Eusebius: Documents Illustrating the History of the Church to AD 337, Ed., J. Stevenson, newly revised by W. H. C. Frend


The Trouble With Scripture

Both Arius and Athanasius thought the Scriptures could settle their disagreement. The Arians quoted a text from Proverbs to support their view:

The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

- Proverbs 8:22

To the modern scholar, the “me” refers to a pre-Christian notion of Godʼs Wisdom, but to the Arians and Athanasians alike, many Old Testamentʼs verses were interpreted as being about Jesus, and this passage, they agreed, referred to Jesus. The difference came in their interpretation of its meaning. The Arians claimed that the passage proved Jesus was created by God. But the Athanasians argued that the word “create” did not mean “coming into being.” To them the passage referred to the creation of all mankind through the resurrection of Jesus.

Another passage the Arians quoted was from the gospel of Luke, which referred to the growth of Jesus:

And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man

- Luke 2:52

The Arians argued, God obviously could not have “increased in wisdom and stature” for he is a perfect being. Jesus, because he could increase in wisdom and stature, could not be God. The Athanasians countered by saying that the Scriptures contain a “double account” of Jesus Christ. Some passages refer to Jesus as man, and others refer to him as God. The passage from Luke refers to the part of Jesus that is a man; so said the Athanasians.

Wilken, The Myth of Christian Beginnings, p. 90-93


As is now widely recognized, the Scriptures and their interpretations were the source of the “Arian controversy.”

As Robert C Gregg and Dennis E. Groh have observed, “It has been easy to overlook the degree to which appeal to the Scriptures was fundamental for Arius,” and, it might be added, the later Arians. R. P. C. Hanson in particular has said in The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, “When arguing about the career and character of Jesus Christ himself depicted in the Gospels,” the Arians “are usually on much firmer footing than their [‘orthodox’] opponents,” in fact, “both Athanasius and Hilary are driven to take refuge in the most unconvincing arguments.” Ambroseʼs [‘orthodox’] interpretations are also, in general, “fantastic nonsense woven into purely delusive harmony.” The Arian exegesis of the first three Gospels is “confident” and “embarrassing” to their [Athanasian] opponents who treat the crucial verses in those Gospels in “uncertain” and “strained” ways. Maximinus even told the church father, Augustine, “The divine Scripture does not fare badly in our [Arian] teaching, such that it has to receive correction [Latin, ‘emendationem’] from us.”

Kevin Madigan, “Christus Nesciens? Was Christ Ignorant of the Day of Judgment? Arian and Orthodox Interpretation of Mark 13:32 in the Ancient Latin West,” Harvard Theological Review, Vol. 96, no. 3 (2003)


“Arianism” Used to be Just as Popular as the Doctrine that Jesus is Fully God

Arianism, which orthodox Christians now consider the archetypal heresy, was once at least as popular as the doctrine that Jesus is God. Ordinary trades people and workers felt perfectly competent—perhaps even driven—to debate abstract theological issues and to arrive at their own conclusions. Disputes among Christians, specifically arguments about the relationship of Jesus Christ the Son to God the Father, had become intense. [p.7]

The anti-Arians demanded that Christianity be “updated” by blurring or even obliterating the long-accepted distinction between the Father and the Son. From the perspective of our time it may seem strange to think of Arian “heretics” as conservatives, but emphasizing Jesusʼs humanity and Godʼs transcendent otherness had never seemed heretical in the [Eastern half of the Roman Empire]. [p.74]

The Great Council of Nicea was the largest gathering of Christian leaders, up to that time with 250+ bishops in attendance, almost all of them from the Eastern Empire. To some extent, this Eastern predominance can be attributed to the westernerʼs lack of interest in the Arian controversy, which still seemed to them an obscure “Greek” matter. [The controversy over Arianism was most virulent in Greek-speaking areas, where the language lent itself to fine distinctions, and the involvement of the emperors, whose aims were usually social unity rather than theological truth, complicated matters. Often the churchmen who prevailed were those who had the emperorʼs ear. It is only with hindsight that bishops can be readily assigned to one or the other camp in the controversy: there were many gradations within the “Arianizing” outlook.—Desmond OʼGrady, Beyond the Empire: Rome and the Church from Constantine to Charlemagne (New York: Crossroad Publishing Company, 2001), p.16]

The Council of Nicea, then, was not universal. [There were in fact over 1800 bishops in the Christian church and only 250-300 of them attended the Council of Nicea].Several later gatherings would be more representative of the entire Church; one of them, the joint council of Rumini-Seluicie (359), was attended by more than five hundred bishops from both the East and West. If any meeting deserves the title “ecumenical,” that one seems to qualify, but its results—the adoption of an Arian creed—was later repudiated by the Church. Councils whose products were later deemed unorthodox not only lost the “ecumenical” label but virtually disappeared from official Church history. [p.74]

[After the Council of Nicea, Constantine exiled Arian theologians.] But within three years, Arius, Eusebius, and their fellow exiles would be forgiven by Constantine and welcomed back to the Church. Eusebius would become Constantineʼs closest advisor, and would insist that Athanasius, now bishop of Alexandria, readmit Arius to communion in that city as well. A decade after that, Bishop Athanasius himself was exiled, and Arianism was well on its way to becoming the dominant theology of the Eastern Empire. [p.84]

The Council of Nicea was the last point at which Christians with strongly opposed theological views acted civilly toward each other. When the controversy began, Arius and his opponents were inclined to treat each other as fellow Christians with mistaken ideas. Constantine hoped that his Great and Holy Council would bring the opposing sides together on the basis of a mutual recognition and correction of erroneous ideas. When these hopes were shattered and the conflict continued to spread, the adversaries were drawn to attack each other not as colleagues in error but as unrepentant sinners: corrupt, malicious, even satanic individuals. [p.84-85]

Athanasiusʼs ambition was endless; and he was very much at home in the “real” world of power relations and political skullduggery. Athanasius would soon be recognized as the anti-Ariansʼ champion. But first, he had to become bishop of Alexandria. [p.104-105]

Athanasius sent gangs of thuggish supporters into the Melitian Christian district, where they beat and wounded supporters of the Melitian leader, John Arcaph, and, according to Arcaph, burned churches, destroyed church property, imprisoned and even murdered dissident priests. [p.106]

Constantine ordered a council of bishops to meet in Tyre [concerning charges leveled against Athanasius]. Athanasius reacted with desperation. He had his agents terrorize those who might have provided evidence against him and prevented them from leaving the country. The pro-Athanasius bishops who attended the council at Tyre behaved so disruptively that the council later cited their activities as proof of Athanasiusʼs unfitness for office. The debate at the council was stormy, with many witnesses contradicting each otherʼs stories, and much name calling. After weeks of squabbling the bishops decided to send a commission to the region to interview witnesses there and the decide the truth of various accusations. The investigative commission left for Egypt accompanied by a company of imperial troops. For the next two months Egypt was in an uproar. The Athanasians charged that the commission was obtaining evidence by means of threats and torture. The commissioners charged that Athanasiusʼs supporters were intimidating and kidnapping witnesses. By the end of the investigation it was clear that the commissionʼs report would indict Athanasius, who fled the city by night. The Bishops in Tyre condemned Athanasius for specific acts of violence and disobedience. [p.123-125]

When Constantine convened the Great Council of Nicea, he could not have imagined that the bishops would be meeting almost every year to rule on charges of criminal activity and heresy. Partisan control of these gatherings virtually guaranteed that condemned churchmen would attempt to rehabilitate themselves and punish their enemies by denying the authority of “illegitimate” councils and convening new ones. The emperor probably considered this a temporary problem. Surely, after blatant troublemakers and fanatics like Bishops Athanasius and Marcellus were removed from office, reasonable churchmen could learn to live together despite occasional differences of opinion! But this was to repeat the original mistake made at Nicea. It was to assume that doctrinal differences among Christians were not that important, that they did not reflect serious divisions of class, culture, and moral values within the community, and that they could be resolved by discovering the correct form of words. [p.133]

[More and more Christians started disavowing the “Nicene creed,” and Arianism experienced a resurgence. By the year 329 Arianism had such widespread support that Constantine became persuaded that his earlier decision was a mistaken one. In 336, the former exile, Arius, on the eve of being readmitted to membership in the church at Alexandria, was found dead on the floor beside a toilet. Poisoning is one possibility to account for the timing and manner of his passing.] However, Athanasius used Ariusʼs death as a public relations opportunity. He announced that the cityʼs prayers had been answered and “the Arian heresy was unworthy of communion with the Church.” Most telling is the language Athanasius used in describing the manner of Ariusʼs death: “Arius urged by the necessities of nature, withdrew, and in the language of Scripture, ‘fell headlong, and burst asunder in the midst,’ being deprived of both communion and his life together.” [The Biblical reference Athanasius employed was to Judasʼs death, the apostle who betrayed Jesus, Acts 1:18] [p.137]

[Even after Ariusʼs death, Arianism remained, for there remained other more influential Christian leaders who dominated the movement.] Moreover, another death was of greater consequence than Ariusʼs. The death in question was Emperor Constantineʼs. Eusebius [an Arian Bishop] heard the Emperorʼs confession, and administered the last rites and a decree was made that permitted all exiled bishops to return to their sees. Athanasius [who was in exile at that time] returned to Alexandria after making a political tour of several provinces. Everywhere he rallied the anti-Arian forces and helped return exiles to power, organized opposition to “heretical” bishops, and intervened actively in local disputes. Violence dogged his steps, since both sides had organized popular support and were quite ready to use angry mobs to expel churchmen they despised or defend friendly incumbents. The result in a number of key cities was something close to civil war. Finally, Athanasius returned to Alexandria where, according to his enemies, ‘he seized the churches by force, by murder, by war.’” [p.141-142]

Soon afterwards a large council of bishops met in Antioch [in 338] to declare that Athanasius had committed new atrocities. The leaders of the church met again in Antioch in the winter of 338-339. With the new Emperor, Constantineʼs son, Constantius [who openly embraced Arianism] in attendance, they convicted Athanasius of violence and mayhem, and ordered him deposed. Warned by his agents, Athanasius fled, and rioting and arson (which had also accompanied his return) erupted across the city. The Church of Dionysius was burned, a number of people on both sides were injured and killed, and fighting even broke out on Easter Sunday in the Church of Quirinius. Several weeks later, the mobs supporting Athanasius had been suppressed, at least for the time being.

What really happened in Alexandria during this stormy month? Athanasius in a letter charged that “Arian madmen” incited pagans, Jews, and “disorderly persons” to attack the faithful, set churches on fire, strip and rape holy virgins, murder monks, desecrate holy places, and plunder the churchesʼ treasures. He presents pictures designed to horrify and madden his readers: Jews, for example, are presented as cavorting naked in the churchesʼ baptismal waters. And, of course, he says nothing about any violence that his own supporters may have offered in his defense or in opposition to the installation of the new bishop.

Athanasius had always had a following in Alexandria, but Arius was also an Alexandrian with his share of supporters. The truth seems to be that in Alexandria and many other cities large groups of militant fighters could be mobilized by both sides, and that both sides made frequent use of them in the confused period following Constantineʼs death. What is most striking is the closeness and bitterness of the conflict in important cities like Constantinople, Antioch, Ancyra, Caesarea, Tyre, and Gaza. [p.143-144]

[Probably more Christians were slaughtered by Christians in two years [A.D. 342-343, during the Arian controversy] than by all the persecutions of Christians under the Romans during the previous three hundred years.—Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, Vol. 4, The Age of Faith] But what caused this deep division?.The split between Nicene and Arian Christians seems to reflect a rough division between those more in need of a powerful, just ruler and those more in need of a loving advocate and friend. Neither side in the controversy could afford to turn its back entirely on either image: the Athanasians therefore called Jesus “God from God.” And the Arians called him “a paradigm and an example.” Each side put its primary emphasis on one image while paying lip service to the other, and each side was prey to fears that the other side was aiming to obliterate “its” Jesus. While Athanasians denounced the Arians for lowering Christ to the point that his majesty and saving power would be lost, the Arians accused Athanasius and Marcellus of raising him to the point that his love (and Godʼs majesty) would be lost.

The violence in the Eastern cities ended for the time being with the forcible eviction of major anti-Arian bishops and their exile to the Western half of the Roman Empire. Many were arriving in Rome, where Athanasius had already fled. But the uncalculated efforts of these deportations would be to make the Pope of Rome a major participant in the controversy, to embroil the Western bishops, and, finally, to dive a wedge between the Christian churches of the Greek East and the Latin West [which latter would excommunicate each other]. [p.146-147]

[The Arians split into three factions: the Anomeans, the extreme party which stressed the difference between Father and Son; the Homoeans, which simply affirms that the Son is similar to the Father “in accordance with the scriptures”; and the Semi-Arians which favored the term homoiousion (Greek for “of like substance”) as expressing both the similarities and the differences between Father and Son. In 359 two simultaneous councils were held; one for the eastern bishops (in Seleucia) and one for the western bishops (in Ariminum). Both councils adopted the Homoean formula. However, this victory for Arianism frightened the Semi-Arians back into the ranks of the Athanasian fold. The death of Constantius in 361 also deprived the Arians of political support and they began to lose ground to the Athanasians.—Livingstone, Dictionary of the Christian Church, p.33.]

[It was at this time, 361 A.D., that the Emperor Julian “the Apostate,” though raised a Christian, came to power and declared himself a pagan.] He reflected the common peopleʼs distaste for the scandalous disunity of the Church. Christianity had conspicuously failed to bring the empire together or to secure it from enemy attack. As the contemporary historian Ammianus said, “no wild beasts are such enemies to mankind as are most Christians in their deadly hatred of one another.” He deprived the Christian clergy of the special privileges [and tax exemptions] bestowed on them by his predecessors, and also took steps to re-inflame the Arian controversy by permitting Athanasius and other anti-Arians to return from exile. Violence between competing Christian groups broke out almost immediately. Bishop George of the city of Alexandria was murdered [along with several of his fellows].by a mixed mob of pagans and anti-Arian Christians. The Bishopʼs body paraded through the streets on the back of a camel and burned. [p.195] Back around 150 A.D., Christians in Alexandria, inspired by anti-Jewish preaching, had rioted against the Jewish community. Two hundred years later those who called Jesus “Lord” were battling each other in the streets and lynching bishops. By the time bishop George of Alexandria met his grisly death, religious riots had become commonplace throughout the region. [p.6]

[In 363, after reigning a mere three years, Julian “the Apostate” was killed in battle, after which Christian Emperors were once again the rule, one of the most intolerant of whom was Emperor Theodosius] Theodosius banned Arianism and officially declared Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire. [p.226]

[In his edict of 378, Theodosius issued an order compelling all people under his rule to embrace the Catholic faith. (Codex Theodosianus XVI, I,

2) Any doctrines deviating from the Churchʼs teachings were declared criminal, those responsible for such doctrines deserving punishment.—Gustav Mensching, Tolerance and Truth in Religion, trans., Hans-J. Klimkeit (Alabama: The University of Alabama Press, 1971), p.44.]

[And in 380 A.D. a decree from Theodosius read: “We shall believe in the Holy Trinity. We command that those persons who follow this rule shall embrace the name of Catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retribution of Our own initiative, which We shall assume in accordance with the divine judgment.”

—J. N. Hillgarth, The Conversion of Western Europe]

Since Arianism was now identified with the “barbarians” who were its main advocates, the remaining Arians within the empire, now split into small, powerless sects, were also fair game for Christian avengers. And the struggle to uproot paganism, conducted sporadically ever since the days of Constantine the Great, now resumed in earnest.

Was the Arian controversy resolved?.Unresolved issues, appearing in changed form, continued to produce serious religious conflicts that ended in the Great Schism separating the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. [p.226-227]

In the Greek-speaking lands, the end of the Arian controversy triggered more than two centuries of intense conflict [over the question of the relationship between Jesusʼs human and divine natures]. Once again, bishops met in councils to proclaim the orthodoxy of their views and to excommunicate their opponents. Once more the East knew depositions and exiles, riots and assassinations. Each side accused the other of Arianism. The Second Council of Ephesus (449) condemned the school of Antioch; the Great Council of Chalcedon (541) condemned the Alexandrians; numerous emperors intervened on one side or the other; and the controversy did not end until the one-nature “Monophysites” were driven from their own churches, many of which exist to this day.

Richard E. Rubenstein, When Jesus Became God: The Epic Fight over Christʼs Divinity in the Last Days of Rome


It was only later agreed, by the victorious “Nicene” party, that Athanasius had been the hero of a Christian orthodoxy laid down once and for all at Nicea. But the story of Athanasius and of his defense of the “Nicene Creed” gained in the telling. It did so especially in the Latin West. By the end of the fourth century, the “Arian Controversy” was narrated in studiously confrontational terms: it was asserted that “orthodox” bishops had defeated “heretics;” and, in so doing they had offered heroic resistance to the cajolery and, at times, to the threats, of “heretical” emperors. This view of the “Arian Controversy” was constructed after the event. It contains little truth.
- Peter Brown, The Rise of Western Christendom, 2nd Ed., (Malden, MA: Blackwell Publishing, 2003), p.80

The winners even made a few changes to Scripture to help cement their view of the truth. See The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament by Bart D. Ehrman (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993)
- E.T.B.

Fourth and Last Comment Sent to Faith under Fire, Unrelated to the Trinity, but Broaching a Whole New Subject

Since “In God We Trust” is already on our money, and people are demanding the “Ten Commandments” be displayed on government property (funny, they never seem to want to display the “Beatitudes”), why not go all the way and put “In God We Trust” on our tanks and missles too?
- Edward T. Babinski


Amount of money that the United States Defense Department has lost track of, according to a 2000 report by its inspector general:

$1,100,000,000,000 (One trillion, one hundred billion dollars). That is not the amount the Defense Department spent, but merely the amount they “lost track of.”

Source: U.S. Department of Defense

Ratio of the above amount to the rest of the worldʼs military budgets combined: 2:1.

Source: International Institute for Strategic Studies

- Harperʼs Index, August 2003


“For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also,” Jesus said in Matthew 6:19-21. The United States, the most Christian nation on earth, has placed its treasure in destruction and death. As Associated Pressʼ Dan Morgan reports (June 12 2004, Tallahassee Democrat), the Pentagon “plans to spend well over $1 trillion in the next decade on an arsenal of futuristic planes, ships and weapons with little direct connection to the Iraq war or the global war on terrorism.”

The 2005 defense budget - the word “defense” has become a joke in the post Cold War world - will reach $500 billion (counting the CIA), $50 billion higher than 2004. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that over the next ten years, the armada of aircraft, ships and killer toys will cost upwards of $770 billion more than Bushʼs estimate for long-term defense. Morgan reports that Bush wants “$68 billion for research and development-20 percent above the peak levels of President Reaganʼs historic defense buildup. Tens of billions more out of a proposed $76 billion hardware account will go for big-ticket weapons systems to combat some as-yet-unknown adversary comparable to the former Soviet Union.” The mantra heard in Congress, “we canʼt show weakness in the face of terrorism,” fails to take into account the fact that when the 9/11 hijackers struck, the US military—the strongest in the world—failed to prevent the attacks. So, logically one would ask, how does a futuristic jet fighter defend against contemporary enemies, like jihadists who would smuggle explosives into a train station or crowded shopping mall?

— 2006 Pentagon Budget as Sacrilege — Bush Invests National Treasure in Death and Destruction by SAUL LANDAU, Counterpunch, June 25, 2004


“One industry that has done particularly well during the Bush administration has a strong interest in the outcome: the arms industry. A new report from the World Policy Institute tracks how this critical sector has exerted influence over administration policies, and how it is ‘voting with its dollarsʼ in the 2004 campaign.

“These have been boom years for the arms industry, with contracts for the top ten weapons contractors up 75% in the first three years of the Bush administration alone,” notes William D. Hartung, the co-author of the study and the director of the Instituteʼs arms project. “While some of this funding is related to the war in Iraq or the campaign against terrorism, much of it relates to Cold War relics like the F-22 combat aircraft or nuclear attack submarines that have little or no application to the threats we now face or the wars we are now fighting.”

— Arms Industry Influence in the Bush Administration and Beyond: A World Policy Institute Special Report by William D. Hartung and Michelle Ciarrocca, October 2004


More than 100 countries have military budgets of less than $1 billion, roughly what the Pentagon spends in one day. The U.S. and its allies, including Australia, account for more than 70 percent of the worldʼs military spending whilst so-called “adversary” powers—Iran, Iraq, North Korea—account for an absolutely trivial amount.


Graph showing annual military expenditures of U.S. and allies in proportion to the annual military expenditures of communist and “rogue nations.” Be prepared to be surprised.